Nikon D600, Test

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Pohvale za još jedan odličan test.Šta reći,osim da je d600 sjajan aparat.Sudeći prema onim uporednim semplovima i 6d ima perspektivu u ovoj FF priči

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@Bare
To je nebitno. Flickr je kao zajednica mahom okrenuta fotografiji, prilično reprezentativan statistički. DPR je tu prilično sitna riba, koliko god ih mi cenili što se foto-priče tiče.
Uglavom, epitet najprodavanijeg jednostavno nije mogao da zasluži samo na osnovu videa.

@Neo
Hvala!
6D ima perspektivu, ali mu fali "samo" širok DR, da bi mogao ravnopravno da parira Nikonovom aparatu. A i cena bi mogla dole, realno. U odnosu na listu specifikacija, bilo bi sasvim pošteno da bude jeftiniji za barem 100€ od D600.

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[Bare]

Ali ja ne mogu prožvakati ono sa iPhoneom i Flickrom, moguće i zato što nisam ljubitelj Applea osim zbog IPS ekrana u klatopima i Aperturea kao sofwarea.

Moram i o 6D. Mogli su AF definitivno bolji napraviti u smislu broja točki i količini križnih, tijelo sa malo metala ali... Imaju divan senzor sve dok nije DR na niskom ISO-u u igri ali moguće da bi onda imali nešto lošiji visoki ISO. U svakom slučaju lijek je u tome da Canon prijeđe na finiji proces izrade senzora, a dio problema bi mogao doći u tome da počmu prodavati senzore za mobitele i kompakte jer oni zahtjevaju najfinije procese što bi im u konačnici donijelo i bržu migraciju DSLR senzora na finije procese, nešto što Sonya cijelo vrijeme gura naprijed, a bome i Toshibu. Inače me začudilo od kuda ta Toshiba jednom koja moram reći ima po DxO šokantan rezultat DR-a na visokom ISO-u za jedan APS-C(sa FF i većim senselima mislim da bi čuda radili) i tu je na razini sa D600. I onda čačkam ja malo kad ono Toshiba je najveći proizvođač senzora za mobilne uređaje koja jeli planira po izjava čelnika sve više napadati tržište velikih senzora.

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^Tim bolje!
Što više igrača na tom polju, to bolje. Posebno što su neki propali u poslednje vreme, pa se stvorio blagi vakuum.

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[Bare]

Imam jadno pitanje za Storma ako slučajno zna. Jesi li probao 24-120 F4 VR na D600 i ako jesi kakav je naspram ovoga 24-85 VR? Za mene je taj 24-120 fantomski objektiv, ne poznajem nikoga da ga ima, a i ne znam da se ljudi nešto otimlju za njim. Moguće da je sve zato što ga Nikon i ne gura u kit opcije kod D600, a kod D800 i nije popularan.

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Nisam probao na D600, ali sam bio ubeđen da je to logičnije rešenje za kit, sve dok nisam probao taj 24-85. Ispada da je (po svim testovima) 24-85 bolji objektiv, ako izuzmemo fiksnu blendu i raspon. Na istim parametrima je bolji, posebno na periferiji, ako se dobro sećam. I da, slažem se da je to gotovo "fantomski" objektiv... retko ko ga ima, a mešaju sa starim 24-120, koji nema fiksnu f/4 blendu i koji je mnogo jeftiniji.

Na žalost, ja moram reći da su na Nikonu mnogi noviji objektivi na neki način "fantomski". Slabo se prodaju, a vlasnici N sistema su često skloni da radije koriste matore drtine, nego moderna stakla, što ne bih komentarisao.

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[Bare]

Sama periferija ilitiga rubovi me ne zanimaju, više me zanima centar pa do 2/3 kadra gdje se većina objekata na slici i nalazi sa tim da me ti standard zoomovi ne zanimaju kao pejsažni objektivi. Ovo govorim sa stanovišta toga da kažu da je 24-120 F4 VR jako dobar u centru ali ne znam jer ga nikada nisam probao.

Pa nije da se slabo prodaju nova Nikkor stakla, dapače ide super prodaja nekima. Evo 24, 35 i 85 1.4 se za ograničenu upotrebu i cijenu sasvim dobro prodaju. 14-24, 24-70 i 70-200 2.8 VR obje verzije su se fantastično prodavale. Ono gdje šteka prodaja su ti Nikonovi profi F4 zoomovi sa VR-om, pogotovo taj 24-120 koji vjerujem dosta pati i zbog loše reputacije prijašnjeg modela. naravno mora se reći da korisnici Nikona nisu navikli da se F4 zoomovi okarakteriziraju kao profi proizvod.

A kolko sam ja vido testove ovaj 24-85 VR je bolji od 24-120 F4 VR ne na otvorenoj blendi nego kada se pritvori na npr. F8, znači totalno različita optimizacija. Naravno 24-120 ima tu prednost raspona.

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Sada ću citirati Thom Hogana u vezi 24-85 i 24-120 pošto je sada u SAD-u akcija na razne Nikkore između ostaloga i za te on je napisao je li se isplati kupiti.

24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G
On a D3, D3s, D4, D700, or D600, this is a good lens to consider. Optically, it's about right for those cameras, and on a D600 it's nearly the perfect kit lens.

24-120mm f/4G
D800/D800E users would want this over the 24-85mm, I think. It's a step up optically, which that 36mp sensor will greatly appreciate. The more I use this lens, the more impressed I am with it's well rounded performance.

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Nikon D600 Sensor Dust Time-lapse (pt. 1)

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Nikon issues service advisory on D600's dust issue

Nikon has released a service advisory for its D600 digital SLR. Based on user complaints, it addresses the widely-reported issue of dust and dirt accumulation on the camera's sensor. In the advisory, Nikon has belatedly acknowledged that at the point where dust becomes visible in images, 'removal may be difficult using normal measures' and advises customers who have exhausted conventional cleaning options to 'consult your nearest Nikon service center', whose technicians will 'examine the camera thoroughly, and service it as needed.'

Although the statement is short on detail - noticeably it offers no explanation of why the D600 specifically is affected in this way, it's good to see that Nikon has finally acknowledged that some D600 owners have indeed seen real problems with dust accumulation on their sensors, which are outside of the normal scope of expectations when using modern DSLRs.

We noted this issue in our in-depth review of the D600 last year (and have been asking Nikon for more information ever since), but apart from a general statement explaining that sometimes, DSLR sensors need cleaning, today's service advisory is the first time that Nikon has publicly addressed the problem.

Pa... za neverne tome - ovo je valjda validan dokaz?

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neverovatno kao kad kupis polovan aparat 

[Bare]

Vjerojatno su nanijeli više ulja, nije to prašina, a problem je pratio i D7000 samo što se onda nije digla tolika halabuka. Sreća u nesreći je što problem nestane...

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Tačno da senzor na prvoj seriji D7000 nije valjao ali  posle sest meseci promenili senzor, odbacili Sonyijev, stavili svoj senzor i resen problem.  Ali nov proizvod ne treba da ima problem ovakve vrste. Ne znam čoveka ali znam da je jedan naš čovek sa D600 imao ovakav problem.

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O ćemu ti? Pa D7000 je uvijek imao Sony senzor, isto kao i D600 što ga ima. Da jednostavno izbacili Sony senzor i stavili svoj, ne znam odakle ti uopće ideja za ovo.

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Tako sam čuo/pročitao negde. Neka me isprave ako grešim.

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Pa eto ispravio Te Bare. Ni meni nije jasno gde si to pročitao, ali je teška dezinformacija u pitanju. Na stranu što senzor nema ama baš nikakve veze sa prljanjem.

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Slepci. I oni.

Ne zato što su napravili propust već zato što im treba ovoliko vremena da izađu sa saopštenjem. I dalje sam mišljenja da propust nije ništa strašno. Koliko sam pročitao, a ispravite me ako grešim, kod pojedinih serija naneto je više ulja koje je onda u početku prskalo po senzoru i dodatno lepilo prašinu.
Na samom početku su trebali da daju ovo objašnjenje, a ne da dozvole sebi da se u javnosti razglaba o ko zna čemu.

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Zanimljiva je činjenica da slični problemi samo na aparatima sa Sony senzorom, Nikoni D7000 i D600, pa ako se ko sjeća priče sa Pentaxom K-5...

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Moram reći da me jako intrigira ova prašine/ulje na senzoru D600. I onda kako će na D7100 sve valjda biti OK, to bi značilo da će naći rješenje i za nove serije D600 samo što sam Nikon ne želi reći koje su to da nebi ljudi prilikom kupnje izričito tražile novu seriju, a stara ostala neprodana.

Sada je i Thom Hogan napisao jedan zanimljiv članak u vezi problema kod D600.

Nikon Europe posted a short article dealing with the D600 dust issue. Not exactly as clear as Canon's, and Nikon doesn't exactly admit to the excess lubricant issue many have also experienced. Here's the shorthand of what you should do, if Nikon need to do this again:

Clearly state what went wrong.
Say you're sorry, directly.
Make amends.
State how you'll make sure not to repeat the mistake.
Request forgiveness.
Nikon's service note mostly messes this up. First, apparently the dust is at fault. Next, you're at fault if you haven't tried all the remedies listed in the manual. Only then will Nikon "examine" your problem and deal with it "as needed." But, of course, it may only "reduce this issue."

So let me try to write what Nikon should have:

"Dear D600 user:

It has come to our attention that some cameras were shipped from the factory with dust and excess lubricant that shows up as spots in your final image. The in-camera cleaning system does not remove these foreign objects from the filter over the sensor, thus additional cleaning action is needed to make your camera function the way you expect it to.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this problem has caused you. To make things right, we will clean your sensor and make your camera function as you expect, at no cost and with as little hassle as possible. Just contact us via <fillintheblank> to get that process started. However, sometmes using a blower brush as outlined on pages 304-305 of the User's Manual may be all that's necessary to fix the problem, so we humbly suggest that you try that first.

Again, we apologize for this problem. We take issues like this seriously, so we are examining our quality control at the factory and trying not only to identify how this happened for some cameras, but also identify ways to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Please forgive us and give us a chance to make amends by getting your camera clean and functioning as expected. We realize you have a choice of brands to provide your photographic needs. We want you to know that we are aware that we didn't live up to your expectations for our products here. We didn't live up to our own high expectations. Rest assured that when we do mess up as we did here, we'll make it right.

Thank you for your previous support, and please give us the chance to earn your future support, as well.

Sincerely,
A Better Nikon"

Shortly after I wrote this, I got the following email from a D600 user:

I initially noticed the problem at around 2700 clicks, and it was exactly as others have described on the various forums: a series of black spots on the top left of images, which weren't affected by the camera's self-clean function. I took the camera to the Nikon Salon in Tokyo (thankfully a relatively quick trip for me), and they offered to clean it for free.

The dust spots had visibly returned by 4000 images, and I took it back to Nikon but this time they charged me 1000 yen ($13). I was annoyed, but based on what I read on the internet it seemed like this was going to be a short-lived problem.

I am now at 6000 clicks, and the dust has returned with a vengeance. Again, centered on the top left of images. I took my camera back to Nikon and after a bit of arguing with 5 different people (complicated by the fact that I don't speak Japanese), my camera has been sent to the Nikon factory for servicing, which they say will take a week. They tried to charge me full price for this service, because I have a USA warranty which doesn't cover worldwide service (who knew?), but I was able to convince them that they should do it for free.

And there we have the reason why Nikon's posted answer--only in Europe so far that I know of--is all wrong. "Service it as needed" seems to be "we'll try cleaning it once." Top that off with: "Sorry, no amends because you're not where you're supposed to be."

Is this really the way to treat customers who encounter a problem caused by the factory on a US$2000 item? Initially, I gave Nikon some slack on this issue. But their non-response has now put them back in my penalty box. Just say you goofed up and clean the dirty cameras, guys. So far all Nikon has managed to do is prolong five months of user complaints about the D600's propensity to wreck images with dust and lubricant in quantities beyond any reasonable expectations. Does Nikon really think that this isn't slowing D600 sales? If they can't see the connection, then maybe I should start publishing some of the other emails I'm getting.